And at the moment, I don't have the foggiest notion what that decision may be. I knew that I probably wouldn't agree with all of CCP's decisions on this matter, but I never imagined that I would be simply unable to determine what those decisions were.

Hi, Lady Areola Fappington

The EULA has always affected external content to a degree, when that content is shared using our systems. For example when you post a link that contains inappropriate content, even though that content is hosted somewhere outside EVE Online, there's always been potential for disciplinary action. We haven't changed any policies but we do reserve the right, as we always have, to revoke access to our services if they are being used to facilitate something, or share something, that violates our terms of service.

It also means the author of the blog that started this whole mess going could also be banned for harassment, considering that no one's permission was asked and even the "victim" suffered because if it.

I plan to report any time I feel like someone might be upset by a situation I'm in. It seems only fair.

In fact, we should also go out and report other peoples situations that might make them upset that we weren't even in, and without asking the victim if they have a problem.

Clearly that's what CCP is asking us to do.

Also, some posts are getting deleted. Just a heads up.

I feel this is an attack on my in game choice of alliance, and feel harassed by your words.

And it's a better response than "We banned that person because people complained, even though the "victim" quite clearly stated it was a non-issue, and yet out ruling on the matter will be murky at beast as we don't want to commit to an actual decision". Either people should have to HTFU like their little video says, or we should be able to play in compete peace and harmony.

It wouldn't be about teaching CCP a lesson. It would be about cleaning up EVE and helping CCP do it.

Also; any time someone ganks a miner and the miner rages, they ganker will be banned? That meets that emotional requirement that this seems to need. That will change this game HUGELY if true

Successful witch hunt guys.

still unable to differentiate between questions and tears, i see.

Which one of us is right?

Now, all he has to do at that point is petition me, and send the GM the EVEmails whereby he raged at me and demanded that I stop preventing him from encroaching on my home, breaking my ratting chain, and scaring off better targets, and I responded by sending him the lyrics to Particle Man.

Now, poor old Garamonde is temp banned for harassment, and the moron carebear that doesn't understand what lowsec means, gets pretty much "Lethal Weapon 2 Style Diplomatic Immunity" as a result. All he has to do is claim that I was deliberately targeting him, simply to harass him.

That's total crap and you know it.

Then get this: once you've got all your target's money and killed all his ships, leave him alone.

My point that you missed is what steps are going to be take to ensure that carebears understand, completely, that this is not a "can't touch me" card, and that GM's will be properly educated on the subject. Will there be actions taken against carebears for trying to cheat the system? Will GM's be disciplined for handing out bans against gankers?

When CCP says "COME PLAY EVE! YOU CAN BE THE BADDIE!!!111" and then bans someone for being too much of a baddie... well... I find it somewhat shocking that those who play that role would be told to STFU when they ask for clarification.

when all that's lost is a few pixels and a bit of face.

[I used to not care at all about this and not petition it. I just changed this policy, because new meta.

THAT'S why almost all the botters are in highsec, and THAT is why the New Order operates there.

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the CSM. How people that act like this voted against the long held HTFU nature of EVE and in favour of crying players with no self control I have no idea.

Correct. I hate nullsec. Politics and intel pipelines and nullbears.
Locals dock up when a red enters system, and nobody assembles to fight a hostile small gang.

It's infuriating. Give me lowsec piracy and small gang PvP, any day, over that noise.

And that's the problem with subjectivity.

The guy I bumped isn't. It only takes one randomly slung petition to stick.

You better damn well hope you never upset the wrong person, since we know how fairly the grey rules have been enforced in the past.

I'm more worried that through convincing petitions, people are going to get banned for things that other people get away with.

A lot of snide comments and slanderous remarks being directed at Erotica 1, why if id say there are quite a few folks harassing this individual who has already received punishment for his actions.

Sure, they've never been biased or anything, right?

I could got back to one of the several times and hundreds of posts where people like you have complained about GM bias, but I think we all know where it leads.

I couldn't figure out how

You have been, and continue to equate pixels with real life activity.

Moreso when the closest analogy to what you just said "Sing or you die", is PERFECTLY ACCEPTABLE in this game, with plenty of precedent of that happening.

Meanwhile, legitimate real life threats like are being made against Remiel Pollard are being ignored. Disgusting.

Also, I said I'm leaving EVE, yes, and I won't be logging in again. Never said anything about the forums.

So what I am getting from this...If i know an EVE Player outside of game. And we meet somewhere and I start making fun of him and "harassing" him for being a carebear and horrible at something, this would provoke CCP to ban me?

Take away the guardians at the gate and anarchy takes over immediately.

Sorry, but something got lost in translation.

Besides: Anarchy - a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.

A situation of confusion and wild behavior in which the people in a country, group, organization, etc., are not controlled by rules or laws

No. It's absolutely nothing to think about.

Anarchy is not self rule. Nobody is in charge of anything.

Etymology

The word anarchy comes from the ancient Greek ß+Ç+++¦-ü-ç+»+¦, anarchia, from ß+Ç++ an, "not, without" + ß+Ç-ü-ç-î-é arkhos, "ruler", meaning "absence of a ruler", "without rulers").

The issue isn't even close to dead.

And if you just wish for it very, very, very, very, very hard: It still won't be

BOTTOM LINE: CCP can not refuse service to paying custommers who abide by the written rules.

So I take it your stance on things is:
I'm perfectly fine with double, tripple standards as long as it doesn't affect my little bubble.
I'm perfectly fine with CCP stealing from people who got themselves on the shitlist of some moral crusading CSM.
I'm perfectly fine with all people who received the 'logs don't show anything' response in the past.
I'm perfectly fine with paying for stuff and not get it.
I'm perfectly fine with changing the core attraction to EVE.
I'm perfectly fine with people using racial slurs and death threats when they have their feelings hurt.
I'm perfectly fine.

I and many others aren't perfectly fine with this BS.

You don't like open discussions or transparency? Nobody is forcing you to read it

This post tells me that you don't even know what the issue is.

I'd also like to take this opportunity to remind you that you are still posting here too. Kind of silly to point one finger at me, while 3 are pointing right back at you.

Like I said. If you have a problem with my posting, and it seems like you do, feel free to block me. I'm not changing a goddamn thing, most certainly not my opinion, for the likes of you.

So it is your contention then that the EULA for Eve Online extends outside of Eve online and into our personal lives and what transpires on privately-owned TS servers and non-registered blogs? Because that's pretty damn far-reaching IMO.

You're skirting the issue. Sure, I agree that it's their game and they can do whatever they damn well please. Now I ask again, are YOU ok with them using things that go on OUTSIDE of their game, on YOUR privately owned property, as a reason to exercise their right to refuse service? Would you be ok with them refusing someone service because they were homosexual? Afircan-American? A Republican? It's their game and they can refuse service to anyone they want, right? Sure, but do their stated reasons for refusal of service matter at all to you?

CCP are within their legal rights to ban any player for any reason.

That doesn't mean every ban is inherently fair, balanced, good for the game/community, intelligent and reasonable though. It just means they're free to make unfair, imbalanced, bad, stupid and unreasonable bans.

That said, I don't believe that the TOS/EULA apply to me when I'm not logged on to CCP's servers, using their products/services, etc. What I say or do when not in CCP's "sphere of control" is frankly none of their damned business.

Now despite CCP not saying why exactly Erotica 1 was banned, and folks like Malcanis saying 'you dont have the full information', I think we have all the information we need...

There are no winners in this except for ripard teg who has removed a potential political opponent from eve

What effect would non justifiable acts like you mentioned have on the perception of EvE by its player base, on the notion of 'sandbox'?

Carebear pansies don't care about 'sandbox', they want bubble-wrap-theme-park, but I assure you many players DO care and its why we are (still) here, fighting for it.

Why do you still not get that noone has a problem with agreeing to the EULA? It's been stated ad infinitum that the issue is some people dont feel that the EULA applies outside of the game.

Yes, their action against E1 was in-game, as a response to something he did outside of the game.

In other words, they decided that the EULA applies to your actions outside of the game as well as within the game.

I'm starting to wonder if you're just trolling, because this has been explained to you in the simplest of terms many, many times, and yet you still act as though you don't understand the point people are making. Your English and grammar are ok, so I have a hard time believing your'e as dumb as you would have to be to still not get it at this point.

Does it say somewhere in the EULA that it applies to anything other than my usage of CCP software?

Not like itll kill the game or anything

So... the US doesnt have Hate Crime legislation huh?

So free speech in the US has no connection to the law either?

Cool cool.